[identity profile] kasbunny.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] watari_003
Dear Comm:

A friend of mine recently told me 'holy crap watari is canonically gay? win.'

Of course, this IS Yami no Matsuei. All the guys are gay by fandom. But. Canonically is another matter entirely considering a close friendship could be mistaken for canon homosexuality. So, I asked for where she heard this.

First, the quote: First of all, it's "King of Swords: Part III", and the only(maybe not only -_-) person that's yaoi is Muraki. Seriously, Yami no mastuei is not "Yaoi Land"!!! A lot of people will attempt to hurt you if you say something like that. I should know, a lot of people love this show and/or manga.

The last manga volume totally had a yaoi scene in it. Too bad they were both unimportant 1-shot characters.... Muraki is the least yaoi chara; only wants Tsuzuki's body so he can restore his brother so he can kill him again & again (plus he already has a girlfriend). The romance star (with Tsuzuki dead center) includes Hisoka, Tatsumi, & the count. Watari accidently blurted out that he he was gay to a girl when they were talking about hair. Tatsumi could easily steal Tsuzuki for himself if he ever gets over his blame-game issues & low self esteem. In fact before the haitus, a group of fans were discussing how Tatsumi & Hisoka could become rivals while Tsuzuki remained oblivious.

Second, link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Descendants_of_Darkness#Ugh.21

Yeah, I know, it's Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not reliable. But I feel the need to pursue the truth! This is the first time I've ever heard of this "moment" so I highly doubt it. But if I have somehow missed it (I don't know how I could have...) then please please correct me. Thank you very much.

Date: 2007-02-28 06:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lynndyre.livejournal.com
The only scene to my knowledge where Watari and 'a girl' are talking about hair is in GenSouKai arc Part 32 (in the middle of Volume 9), when he and Wakaba are bemoaning the weather's effects on their hair. Here is the translation of that section according to theria.net:

[In the employees' office, Watari and Wakaba are moaning about frizzled hair and
the rain outside.]
Watari: "Aaaaaaaaaaaahhhh---------... Rainy days are depressing~~~"
Wakaba: "...me too. My hair won't listen to me at all."
Watari: "Falling rain is a bane to people with natural hair like ours..."
Wakaba: "My hair has been like this ever since I woke up this morning------~~~"
Terazuma: "...."
Terazuma: "So just cut it already. Your hair."
Terazuma: "I'm the one whose even more inconvenienced. Idiot."
Watari: "What do you mean 'just cut it'!! Huh, what!!!" You straight-haired
people don't know our pain.

It's possible your friend read 'straight-haired' as 'straight'?
Watari certainly doesn't declare his homosexuality then. In fact, out of the Shinigami, I think Watari is shown to canonically perv on women the most often (albeit usually in a disturbing way).

Not that I don't think he likes men, but Yami as a manga was in complete denial. ^.^

Date: 2007-02-28 08:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 7veilsphaedra.livejournal.com
*confused* What was it that made Watari's perving on women disturbing? ... as a matter of curiosity, not because I have anything to add to this discussion one way or another ...

Date: 2007-02-28 11:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lirren.livejournal.com
Mostly the fact that he was perving on dead women. In the Kyoto arc when they're going through all the pictures of Muraki's victims Watari comments about how attractive all the women are (and Tatsumi tells him to quit being disgusting *grin*).

Date: 2007-02-28 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhea-samma.livejournal.com
XD Muraki's a picky serial killer. Only the gorgeous get to suffer under his blade.

Oh, I might have to use that line sometime XDD

Date: 2007-02-28 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lirren.livejournal.com
Ooooh, I'd love to see that line in a fic of yours. And your icon is totally of the win! *grin*

Date: 2007-02-28 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhea-samma.livejournal.com
Damnit! You made me lose! XDD


I do have a really dark and nasty idea... sort of about Muraki's parents and where his obsess--exscuse me, spellbound...ness with stillborns comes from..

Date: 2007-02-28 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lirren.livejournal.com
Oh, god. Now you have me fascinated. *begs* You must write this. Really, you must!

Date: 2007-02-28 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhea-samma.livejournal.com
Believe me, I've been trying.. it just.. hasn't... been.. coming out how I want it to XP

Date: 2007-02-28 03:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 7veilsphaedra.livejournal.com
*coffee snort* Yes ... but ... but ... in his line of work, those are the only ones he pretty much ever gets to meet, right? *ducks*

I guess this would be a lot more perverse and gross to me if death had any meaning in the Yami universe. Right now, it's seems to be more like taking a long vacation to the next city without ever being able to go back again. I guess short of the candle-snuffing thing and their judgement in Meifu, we never do find out what happens to all those retrieved souls.

Date: 2007-02-28 03:28 pm (UTC)

Date: 2007-03-01 04:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lynndyre.livejournal.com
It was less the perving on dead girls than the perving on corpses, I think, that bothered Tatsumi? ^.^

I think the souls of the dead live in Meifu until they reincarnate - I'm presuming Tsuzuki's landlord and his wife are in this situation.

There are also stuffed animals left on Tsuzuki's bed at the beginning of book 5 with a label saying Kazusa left them. I'd take that to mean she was still in Meifu and visited Tsuzuki, given the length of time elapsed between Devil's Trill and Bookverse (and the fact that she seemed to stay at the main building all through Devil's Trill).

Date: 2007-03-01 05:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 7veilsphaedra.livejournal.com
Yeah, that is disturbing :p ... although I presume he might have just been thinking of what they looked like before the mutilation and putrefaction. (They aren't wandering around Meifu with their guts hanging out, are they? Although, of course, Hisoka can't seem to scrub that curse thing off him, so maybe they are ...) I guess I lean more toward that Tatsumi underestimates Watari, given that scene in Volume 23 (?) where Watari pulls out the disc. That was a telling moment.

Date: 2007-03-01 12:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mistressrenet.livejournal.com
Yeah, it was the fact that everyone else-- and you have to think they're sort of inured to dead bodies at this point-- is grossing out over the horribly mutilated bodies, and Watari's all like, "total babes! ♥."

Date: 2007-03-01 02:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lynndyre.livejournal.com
They do seem dreadfully succeptible to being grossed out by dead bodies.

Well, apart from Tatsumi and Watari. At least Hisoka has the excuse of being new to it?

Date: 2007-03-02 12:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mistressrenet.livejournal.com
Hisoka seems to take it better than Tsuzuki, honestly.

Date: 2007-03-01 05:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 7veilsphaedra.livejournal.com
LOL, some forensic team they make!

Date: 2007-03-01 07:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhea-samma.livejournal.com
XDDD I can see it now...

"Oh, these corpses are NEARLY as bad as the ones we got back here.." *magically pulls out even more disgusting corpse from a mourge drawer a la CSI: Meifu*


OMFG... XDDDDD That would be... such a good ... fic thing XDDDD Or just.. description of what Yami no Matsuei is

Date: 2007-02-28 09:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kata-elf.livejournal.com
Actually, Viz translated the last part of the conversation this way:

Terazuma: "Then cut it off. It's only hair. What a stupid problem. Moron."
Watari: "Only hair?! Only hair?!!" "Straights" don't understand hair.

...So yes, Viz threw in a wordplay that made Watari gay quite canonically. D8 Le pain.

Date: 2007-03-01 02:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lynndyre.livejournal.com
There you go, then.

Viz, how do I hate you - let me count the ways......

white-out-ed blowjobs....

Thanks, though. *commiserates with your pain*

Date: 2007-02-28 02:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhea-samma.livejournal.com
Aw, Kata beat me to it, that's the version I know as well.

I dunno. My former boyfriend, who I made read the series, was... a little weirded out by the homoerotic overtones/suggestions. (Though overall I think he did enjoy it.) I still remember his question (after.. I dunno I think the third or fourth volume maybe) "So um.. is every single character in this gay??"

Me: "Um... just.. read it with the assumption that everyone is at least bisexual, and you'll have less nasty surprises that way." ^^

...And I'd say the Count makes for another 'yaoi' character ^^;;;

Date: 2007-02-28 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lirren.livejournal.com
"Um... just.. read it with the assumption that everyone is at least bisexual, and you'll have less nasty surprises that way."

*giggles hysterically*

Date: 2007-02-28 03:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhea-samma.livejournal.com
Is it a bad thing that I make myself laugh? xD

Date: 2007-02-28 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lirren.livejournal.com


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